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Contribution and Database Accuracy Improvement (Locked)
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Paul Hillenbrand
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Posted this on page 2 and didn't get an answer. (Possibly because Ken Cole posted a message 1 minute after this post and it was overlooked?)  Anyway, I'm posting it again for clarification.
Quoting Ken Cole:
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# Contributions submitted without notes now post into the contribution notes forum with an appropriate comment (Implemented Feb 3)

This sounds good, but what does it mean?  Will this show the name of the contrubutor? Give the contributor a warning? ??
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Quoting Ken Cole:

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the contribution queue for each title will show the pending contributions that have not yet been formally evaluated.  For each, you'll be able to view the contribution as the evaluators do, and either approve or decline it as we do.  These approvals/declines will go into a vote system which will show to the evaluator when they process the contribution.  They will see a list of those that approve the contribution and those that dont.

Since the pending contributions have not been formally evalutated, should we submit our whole profile for this, instead of just the omitted parts and errors, (including scans?) so it can be viewed, approved or declined?

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abrg923
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According to Ken in the chat, it means that a note will be posted stating that there were no notes left for the contribution.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Once 3 or more lock requests are received for an aspect, it is hard locked, and contributions that violate that lock will be automatically declined.


This one has me either confused or worried...

IF a part of the online profile is locked (which is good), wouldn't it be better to simply IGNORE any item of the contribution that is in violation with these locks?

Another option could be, to allow "partial contributions". Everything in a profile that is locked locally (again, we'd need complete locks for this) is ignored by the reviewer and only unlocked items will be considered.

Either way, it would allow us to have some items "our own way" (Cast and Crew comes to mind first) and contribute any other item of the profile without having to correct the profile where "personalized", contribute, resetting the "personalization".

I think Cast & Crew would be the main items where such procedure could help, but also things as "Title: Descrition", the Other field in Features, Overview, Easter Eggs, Notes ( just kidding on that last one).
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Achim:

Come into the chat and we can discuss this

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Dan W
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Achim,
I see what you are saying but actually, I agree with the contribution being declined for violating a lock. The reason is that if the profile violates one lock it is very likely that it will violate others as well.

If someone wants to have something changed that is locked they should request the change.
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the only part i REALLY care about is:

Star Wars Eps 4,5,6 will be added next update. "Wednesday"  of what year, KEN?  

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MarkEJHarrison
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Quoting ya_shin:
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Once 3 or more lock requests are received for an aspect, it is hard locked, and contributions that violate that lock will be automatically declined.


This one has me either confused or worried...


I'm confused and worried, but for different reasons.  I'd hate to see this get abused by some putz who has his buddies all request a lock on bad data just so his version gets locked in the database.  I realize we can send unlock requests of course, but that would be a hassle.  I'm hoping this won't happen of course, but three requests to lock something doesn't seem very strict.  At least on the major titles.  On minor titles, it seems reasonable.  I'd think some type of percentage feature would be better. 

I'm also still wondering about the private message functionality.  I think my earlier post got lost in the shuffle.  Basically if most users never visit this site (and we know they don't), how are they ever going to see their private messages?  If user X constantly submits bad data, I'm sure he'll collect a few private messages.  But if he doesn't visit the site, then what?  I'd like to see some feature that would prevent submissions if they have unread messages older than 24 hours perhaps.
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skipnet50
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Good idea, Mark. I have been mulling this as well, this seems reasonable. I have sent out a few "corrective" emails to users who are screwing up, and some "good job" ones too. But I do find the number of contributors who basically are unwilling to make themselves accountable amazing and Ken, accountability is what it's all about. If users are unwilling to be held accountable by email and/or PM, then they should NOT be allowed to contribute.

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ya_shin
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@ SKIP:
I'd love to chat with you guys, but you'll remember that I am in a VERY different time zone, hence I am at work now (hehe, actually I am goofing offchechking this thread). Unfortunately I am also busy the next evenings; but hopefully can catch you guys their either Saturday night or Sunday (your time).

@ Dan:
I offered two alternatives... Anyway, I want to clarify: ANY item of a contribution that offends an online lock is to be IGNORED. All other items still get checked and voted on as usual. Of course, if "violating" an online lock counts as a vote to open the lock, then you are right and this method doesn't work.

Then I'd still like to see the other options, as people could choose which data of the online profile they want to correct.

E.g.: Let's say I like my cast lists without the "uncredited" people (just an example, actually I like them). As it looks now, I would need to add them before contribution, as otherwise everybody would vote against my contribution. If, however, I could lock the cast list (therefore exemtpting it from the contribution) I would still be able to contribute corrections to any other item but the cast list. Would save time for me and help the database.

@ Mark: Everybody is now supposed to use the forum. You will have noticed, that the Contribution Notes are actually nothing else than an otherwise hidden section of the forum (an Easter Egg...?  ) Of course, it appears as if peple only click the link to open the Notes, but actually don't read them. Maybe the Notes should open with DVDP and people need to click a check mark before continuing (like some software does with the License Agreement).
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m.cellophane
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Quoting MarkEJHarrison:
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I'd think some type of percentage feature would be better.

I like this idea too. Using a percentage would cut down the burden on IVS to settle disputes. Under the current proposal, it looks like there could be a lot of occurrences where locks would get bumped up to IVS for arbitration.
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ajm
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As updates will now only be done on wednesdays, any chance in 2.3.2 that dvdprofiler can be changed to stop asking/checking for database updates daily then. so it only checks after a wednesday.
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Another thought or 2.

First: -

Ok, I do 4 changes to a profile. Lets say I change 'title, genre, case type and some extras'.

Will each change be voted on, or the whole submission?

Second :-

Just wondering as for titles, battles are waged especially for tv series. In fact for most I just change them to match what I want and lock them. Of my 38 stargate titles, if I unlock them I'm sure there will be at least 3 different styles afterwards.

So perhaps when you contribute, you should get a check box of what you've changed. So if you've changed 'title, genre, case type and some extras', you have to state what you want considered for inclusion into the database.

Third :-

What happens to locked fields upon submission. If I have my title field locked, does that get put forward for the next profile update? To me anything that the user has locked shouldn't be considered for profile, unless the profile has that field missing.
KevinJ
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I'm also still wondering about the private message functionality.  I think my earlier post got lost in the shuffle.  Basically if most users never visit this site (and we know they don't), how are they ever going to see their private messages?  If user X constantly submits bad data, I'm sure he'll collect a few private messages.  But if he doesn't visit the site, then what?  I'd like to see some feature that would prevent submissions if they have unread messages older than 24 hours perhaps.


Well, think about this one.... right now there's the ability to see who has uploaded a new edit to a title. What if IVS tracks these updates, and if there's a proven history of user ????? sending bad data, his account is blocked from uploading? I'm sure that could be done. If this user ????? attempts to upload information, he will get a message stating that his "privileges have been blocked due to inaccurate submissions." That might weed out a lot of the crap.

And going hand-in-hand with this is what we've asked before: remove the contributors names. I personally don't care if my name is "up in lights" - I just want accuracy.

Kevin
Dan W
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I agree with the 3 vote lock. Here's why.

I have been running a "Reference DVD" list over at the AVS forums for a little over a year. This is actually two lists with the payoff being the main "Reference" list. As large as the user base is at AVS it is tough to get 3 who actually agree and I keep a running count for each and every title regardless of the date. When I get the third vote it's gone.

Granted, some people's criterion for accuracy is subjective at best but it is clear that we have a core group here in the DVD Profiler forum that is, shall I say, retentive. This core group will wind up being the quality control even if there is no "User Review Board" agreed on by IVS. It's just the nature of the beast.

I am certain if the limit were higher there might be problems. Our "core group" is quite small and we are a diversified lot. We still cover the needed 3 for all of the most popular titles. As long as we are on the same page, 3 votes will not be a problem for us. All we need to do is make a thread calling attention to a title and we will get our 3 fairly quickly.

I think a bit of clarification may be in order from IVS but as long as the basic system remains simple there will be very few problems. Where I see a potential problem arising is the occasional "odd UPC" that comes up. Take "Ordinary People" for example. Most folks have 97360-89644 while I have the unusual 97360-89642. These are identical in every way except for the UPC. The security device at point of purchase makes a difference. While the profile for 89644 was bounced back and forth a little before it settled into what you see now, the 89642 was set up by me when I purchased it and hasn't been touched since (well not until today, I have rechecked everything and added the crew ). Mine is obscure enough that it is not likely to be molested but some aren't quite so obscure. Even so, this is likely to be nothing more than a minor inconvenience and you should simply bring it to attention by creating a thread so it can be discussed. I'm sure these will be rare.
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Dan W
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I will add, I think that

ONLY THOSE WITH THAT PARTICULAR DVD WITH THAT UPC SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

If you don't have it keep your comments to yourself.
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